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    Wow. Progressive Federal government.
    Progressive provincial government.
    Progressive Edmonton mayor.
    Progressive Calgary mayor.

    Unbelievable actually. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomak View Post
    Wow. Progressive Federal government.
    Progressive provincial government.
    Progressive Edmonton mayor.
    Progressive Calgary mayor.

    Unbelievable actually. Lol.
    Progressive........don't make me laugh. Reckless hipsters.

    Maybe Justin can tax the living shit out of all the bong heads that want to sit around smoking weed all day to pay for all the promises . He can also just borrow the money and let future generations worry about it. Why worry , interest rates are low....

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    Where did all the money go that Mulroney borrowed?

    The average household income in my riding is $106,000.

    However I still think Albertans are getting screwed.

    Other oil producers have free university and negative taxation. Yet Albertans will still defend the right of internationals to plunder our resources.

    We deserve more than clean sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VROY View Post
    Where did all the money go that Mulroney borrowed?

    The average household income in my riding is $106,000.

    However I still think Albertans are getting screwed.

    Other oil producers have free university and negative taxation. Yet Albertans will still defend the right of internationals to plunder our resources.

    We deserve more than clean sand.
    I agree. I mean, it wouldn't be as bad if the corporations were Alberta or Canadian entities, and the money stayed here.

    But bleeding us dry, and moving money out of the province to be spent everywhere else, not only hurts us, it puts downward pressure on the dollar.

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    You guys are full of shit.....the NDP or Liberals aren't going to cure corporations making money. The oil doesn't come out of the sand for free . Together you guys couldn't refine enough oil to drive to the corner store for an ice cream. The public doesn't own the rights to oil, the govt gets a percentage of companies that invest in getting it out of the ground. A govt that strangles oil companies won't help anyone, whether they are foreign owned or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roddychop View Post
    You guys are full of shit.....the NDP or Liberals aren't going to cure corporations making money. The oil doesn't come out of the sand for free . Together you guys couldn't refine enough oil to drive to the corner store for an ice cream. The public doesn't own the rights to oil, the govt gets a percentage of companies that invest in getting it out of the ground. A govt that strangles oil companies won't help anyone, whether they are foreign owned or not.
    I don't understand why you would defend the right of corporation that are owned offshore? When you go to sell your car do you tell the person that you are asking for too much and to bid low?

    Of course not, you negotiate for the best deal you can get. And between you and me, 50 cents on the barrel is pretty shitty.

    There is a philosophy that has been pushed by robber barons since the middle ages. That philosophy in the modern era would be expressed in memes like "Job Creators".
    But it is all bullshit. It is the rich instructing the poor " not to rock the boat or we will fuck you".

    People deserve to profit from the ground that they stand on. If you would insist that it doesn't belong to Albertans, I would say that it sure as fuck doesn't belong to the Chinese either.
    We have to live with the pollution left behind by the oil corporations, so if we are responsible for cleaning up the land, it is our fricking land.

    p.s. I have worked at Syncrud, Scotsford, refinery row, and Suncor, since the early 90s. So yeah I am responsible for refining a lot of the energy that has come out of this province.

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    It's October 21 , 2015 . Where's my flying car ? Where's my Mr. fusion ?

    I think we should all watch Back to the Future II today in honour of a great trilogy from the 80's.

    As to defending offshore corporations...... I don't . It comes down to mineral rights. You don't own the mineral rights under your house and I don't under my farm land.The best you can hope for is refuse to allow oil companies on your land, in which case they can take you to the surface rights board and get right of entry . That happened to me with the new WATL transmission line, or you can negotiate a surface lease where you get paid for the 2 acre well site and yearly rent.

    How would you propose to change that ? I don't defend what's happening , but that is how it works. The govt. even an NDP one will not give back mineral rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomak View Post
    Alberta gets tons of transfers. Always has. We got 5.4 Billion in federal tranfers in 2014 for example. Some argue, more than we should.

    http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/business/on...irms-1.2681192
    I was under the impression that Albertans are net contributors to the Federal gov't, we give more than we receive in transfers and equalization payments. Are you saying that is not correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VROY View Post
    The provincial conservatives have destroyed this province. The federal conservatives have destroyed Canada's international reputation and restricted Canadian freedom.

    Things will be a lot better for the People of Alberta now.

    Albertans seem to define themselves by their work. But all that happened during a boom is that things got more expensive. No one really got ahead, they just got to pay more for stuff.

    During the 90s. I worked about 1600 hrs a year. I traveled to every town in BC for work, and bought a house for $95,000. When the boom hit Alberta I worked about 2100 hrs a year. I spent most of my time in the shitty Syncrud camp and houses jumped to $380,000.

    So I ask you, how did the boom make any persons life better? People made twice as much money and paid four times as much to provide for their family.

    Happiness is found in community and family. So what our NDP government needs to do is improve family life. That means more parks, more community activities, and a more effective health care system.
    So your saying house prices never got out hand in BC or the rest of Canada, things never got more expensive? It was just all in Alberta due to the gross mismanagement by the provincial PC's and how they handled the oil price boom? Doesn't sound quite correct. I believe everyone here understands how much you hate the conservatives and that is your choice, just as others are free to choose to support the liberals or wildrose or PC's but you will be hard pressed to convince everyone in AB that the NDP is the best thing since sliced bread and that they should be happy. Choices the NDP make and actions they take will cost people their livelihood, period. No different than any other government but for those that are closer to the industries that will be affected its hard to get excited about it because we'll have nicer parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbersguy View Post
    So your saying house prices never got out hand in BC.
    I am saying that the government does have a role in guiding the economy. The conservatives created a free for all, super heated economic state. People flooded into Alberta and filled the requirements of the super heated economy. However the economy needed to stay super heated to keep all of the new comers employed.

    I am not a conservative, a liberal, or a socialist. I try to be possess moral humility and embrace the five aspect of morality. I depend on logic and reason and do not allow myself to be polarized into a political segment. Rational thought depends on being non-bias. But moral thought can be divided into two encampments. Modern political movements try to broaden these divisions instead of uniting the moral POVs as yin and yang. As soon as you identify yourself as a left or right wing idealogue you have doomed yourself to narrowmindedness. You have dismissed part of societies moral viewpoint as foolish. A person should only be zealous about defending morality and should constantly assess what is the best way to achieve social harmony i.e. Yin and yang.

    "If you want the truth to stand clear before you, never be for or against. The struggle between "for" and "against" is the minds worst disease"


    Any parent is a socialist when they raise a child. They are a conservative when they save for the child's future. No person is just left or just right. Claiming to be, is the truest way to become a tool or power, instead of a free thinking and moral person.

    p.s. Re housing in Alberta. http://business.financialpost.com/fi...ders-whos-next
    Last edited by VROY; 10-21-2015 at 03:00 PM.

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